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Q: To Mods and All - someone is messing around with score system

belarus94
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I just noticed that a lot of deals posted here on DP are getting thumb down and original score of 5 is going down to 1.

Is this new feature on DP or perhaps some unhappy lame user wants to thumb down all deals from users he is not happy with?

I dont know exactly how to prevent it. I guess mods have a special ways of checking it?





belarus94 posted Mar 05, 2012
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ramana_forums
I am supposed to post this one.. i also got "thumb down" for my all deals
ramana_forums (rep: 675k) posted Mar 05, 2012
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belarus94
Just uploaded screenshot of one of the recent pages. You can see this if you click on "Fresh" link on the top of the page.
belarus94 (rep: 63.1k) posted Mar 05, 2012
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Devan275
My guess would be this poster http://dealspl.us/answer/use_the_heating_up_section/13562

I remember a rash of this happening a while back and the mods looked into it and this guy was one of the "thumb downers"
Devan275 (rep: 2.76k) posted Mar 05, 2012
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catchersmom
I had one of those today too, thumb down a 60% boot, I don't understand why this site is getting hostile all of a sudden.
catchersmom (rep: 19.7k) posted Mar 05, 2012
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aznballa161
Same, my deals are getting thumbs down as well. I don't care that much but still
aznballa161 (rep: 3.11k) posted Mar 05, 2012
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Florida2Texas
I just encountered the same issue on one of my deals on the heating up page but it might be an unrelated issue to this. My deal might have been knocked down because someone doesn't like it. This situation that's going on here sounds more serious!
Florida2Texas (rep: 10.5k) posted Mar 05, 2012
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VirginiaPeanuts
Sheesh! Can't people just be nice!! The past few days have been so tense on this site!
VirginiaPeanuts (rep: 11.2k) posted Mar 05, 2012
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arsiel
All the sink/bathroom deals you circled (or squared, I guess?) are posted by a dealspl.us user with a rep of 10 so far so that's normal. As for ramana's posts... I dunno.
The "Heating Up" original post can be found here and includes the following description:
When to "thumb down" a deal:
"Great deal, but I've seen better. I'd wait for a bigger price drop"
"There are similar items for the same price or cheaper here..."
"This deal/coupon is either not working or inaccurate"


To be fair, I suppose the thumbing down IS allowed if they're not great deals; however, I highly favor the feedback idea. As I've mentioned numerous times before, I don't like being thumbed down for no reason. If you don't think it's a great deal, OK, thumb it down but please, PLEASE leave a comment saying that you found the same item at a lot of other sites at the same/lower price. Just give some type of text feedback to back up your thumbing-down. It could and should better dealspl.us.
The only reason why thumbing down could lead to further issues is if it became personal. i.e. if one user decides to scope out a particular fellow user to thumb down all his/her deals without any constructive criticism.
Again, keep in mind this: if you post more deals, your chances of getting plus'd is higher. It's just statistics. Your chances of being thumb downed is higher as well. That's also just statistics.
The plus'ing feature is really ideally a method to get better deals more attention (by getting it to the front page so that non-regulars can also see and share) and hiding away deals that aren't as noteworthy.
arsiel (rep: 13k) posted Mar 05, 2012
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skyline
If I'm not mistaken, the deals that the OP posted is from the fresh page and the so called rules here on dealspl.us is

"Deals that are "Heating Up" are the ones well on their way to being Hot. If you think a deal that's Heating Up is homepage worthy, then go ahead and give it a plus. But if you don't think it's homepage material, you can give it a thumbs down."

If you consider a deal between 3+ -> 9+ heating up then there must have been a misunderstanding somewhere.
skyline (rep: 1.62k) posted Mar 05, 2012
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omegafemale
I believe there is a rule about "malicious" down thumbing. Seeking out new deals in "heating up" could be considered this.
omegafemale (rep: 211k) posted Mar 05, 2012
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VirginiaPeanuts
Just checked my deals and someone is did it to two of mine, as well. Instead of searching for deals to plus down, why don't you just search online for some good coupons or deals. It just seems as if people are putting way too much thought into lowering the rep of others and trying to determine what is a good deal for everyone else! If a deal is really bad go ahead and thumbs it down but don't go messing with the system!
VirginiaPeanuts (rep: 11.2k) posted Mar 05, 2012
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Acarone
We are working on ways to improve the feature to benefit both sides of this argument, and to create a more balanced and fair system. Both sides pose valid arguments.

Just because one user is in favor of "Thumbing Down" deals, does not mean they are the only one using the feature excessively. Please do not make assumptions as to who is doing something wrong. We have looked into user activities and have sent messages to users we felt may be abusing "Thumb Down" feature.

Also, your reputation IS NOT affected by someone "thumbing down" your deal posts.
Acarone (dealspl.us mod) posted Mar 05, 2012
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arsiel
Thanks Acarone for posting a reply. It's nice to know mods are listening & doing something about concerns we may have. :) Also, I didn't know thumb downs on deals didn't have an effect on a user's rep. Good to know
arsiel (rep: 13k) posted Mar 05, 2012
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belarus94
But it would be great feature to see who is + or - your posts.
belarus94 (rep: 63.1k) posted Mar 05, 2012
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akaricke
@belarus94 I have asked the same thing every time this subject comes up.
akaricke (rep: 159k) posted Mar 05, 2012
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VirginiaPeanuts
Ah, I actually didn't know it had no affect on the rep. i guess I'm looking forward to the changes. I hope they will help this site go back to being a more pleasant place. I feel like I'm in middle school again w/ all the crazy drama XD
VirginiaPeanuts (rep: 11.2k) posted Mar 05, 2012
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heyimdennise
I agree with belarus94 and akaricke we should be able to see who's + or - our deals
heyimdennise (rep: 7.87k) posted Mar 05, 2012
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catchersmom
@ encorez why do you have to come off as being nasty,Everyone is not a butte kisser nor are we all afraid. But what is happening here that all the people who do post a lot of deals and most are good deals are being thumb down. This is wrong, I myself after speaking out on here had a deal for kids boots at 60% off thumb down, now 60% off and free shipping is a good deal in my book.And I am sure tomorrow a lot more of my deals will be thumb down, But it isn't going to stop me from posting and I am sure I am not perfect and I am still learning the ropes. Heck I had a deal that had over 50 pluss that took two day's to go to the Hot deal section and It didn't bother me. I post deals and I post quite a few, if some one doesn't like them I am sorry and If I don't like some one else I am not going to go out of my way to thumb them down because the next person may want or need that deal. There are other ways to get the point across that you don't like something. I am not the judge and jury on what is a good deal.
catchersmom (rep: 19.7k) posted Mar 05, 2012
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heyimdennise
My deals are getting thumb downs and they're not even in the "heating up" section I think is someone that has something against me.. Can't we just get along people! Lol
heyimdennise (rep: 7.87k) posted Mar 05, 2012
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catchersmom
@ encorez I am not a big poster I just post every day,I have a full time job and this is my source of relieving stress. As I had stated several times I only know one person, I don't have conversations with any one and most of my deals go unnoticed. It doesn't bother me as I am doing something I love. What bothers me is any one who is 4 star or above is being targeted and that is wrong. Why are they being targeted because they post a lot of deals, and others like them. Who do you know their friends are plus them, I plus a lot of deals every day. I comment on a lot of deals. But I can promise you I do not know any of them and they don't know mw.
catchersmom (rep: 19.7k) posted Mar 05, 2012
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alonga
just call 911
alonga (rep: 361) posted Mar 05, 2012
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VirginiaPeanuts
Who has time to pay attention to who plusses who? I'd rather search for good deals than be a detective. @encorez: I've said it before, you really seem to be stressing yourself out! I know you are just being an advocate for the new people, and that is nice, but you seem to just be getting frustrated. I mean, honestly, it feels like the American Revolution around here! I kinda want to go stand on a soapbox and scream "No taxation without representation!"
VirginiaPeanuts (rep: 11.2k) posted Mar 05, 2012
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VirginiaPeanuts
@alonga: XD
VirginiaPeanuts (rep: 11.2k) posted Mar 05, 2012
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aznballa161
In my opinion, I think the system now is pretty fair as of now. There are people who posts many deals and there are people who posts a few deals, I do not see why that matters. Posting many deals does not necessarily mean you have a better chance of making front page... If all the deals are "bad" then there is no way that they would make front page even with the high volume of posts because not many people would "thumbs up" them.

This was never an issue for me when I first started out, I post a decent amount of deals, and the "good" ones would make it to front page, and the "bad" ones would lag behind and would not generate and views. I don't think that the initial reputation matters, I had my deals starting at 1 to start out with and they made front page with no problems.

As far as "thumbing down" people's deals, I do not see the purpose of that. If it is a good deal, it will get many "thumbs up" and a few "thumbs down" so theoretically it would end up making front page anyways, just at slower pace, which in my opinion is bad, because by that time, the deal may have expired and people may have missed out on the deal. So my solution would be to take out the "thumbs down" feature because I do not see the benefit or advantage to having this feature. Why "thumbs down" a deal you don't like? Just because you don't like it doesn't mean other people don't, so just ignore it and move on.

I agree that there should be concern for people creating extra accounts and "thumbing up" their own deals, a solution to this would to show who is "thumbing up" which deals, that way it would be easily to spot if a person is constantly doing it to their own deals.

Putting a limit to the number of deals one may post is a mistake in my opinion. If this is enforced, people would hold out on posting deals until a they see something they think is "really good" and they will post that, if this is the case, others would miss out on the other deals that they would have posted if there were no such limit.

So as far as I can see, the system now is pretty fair to me, and only a few minor changes should be made.
aznballa161 (rep: 3.11k) posted Mar 05, 2012
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rd995
i will say that mods should look into this and suspend whoever is creating all this drama i bet if they get suspended things will get back to normal we just want good deals not all this drama its not facebook its dealspl.us
rd995 (rep: 104k) posted Mar 05, 2012
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lancescape
I would love seeing who's behind the + votes propping some of these weak-to-awful deals. There's little doubt some scores are inflated/manipulated. Why not? The profit motive is there and it's easy to do (and allowed). Just know that this behavior has compromised the integrity of the voting system, and by extension, the entire website. Catching serial up voters (and those with multiple phantom voting accounts), should be just as important. It is just as unfair to everyone using the site.
lancescape (rep: 145) posted Mar 05, 2012
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omegafemale
I wasn't judging anyone BUT I do hope you spend as much time plussing all those good deals you spoke of as you do looking for the bad.
omegafemale (rep: 211k) posted Mar 06, 2012
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bbattag
EVERY single comment on this page got a thumbs down. That's just ridiculous. Clearly one person just thumbed everyone down for no reason. It's one thing if you want to thumb down because you disagree, but to just do it to everyone is just plain stupid and shouldn't be allowed.
bbattag (rep: 6.74k) posted Mar 06, 2012
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rtanner
Haha its definitely someone just doing it out of spite because I have noticed every time someone posts something in here saying something about thumbing down every single post in the thread gets a thumbs down leading me to believe its one person because you can not thumbs down something more than once.
rtanner (rep: 1.32k) posted Mar 06, 2012
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